20 Questions + Deep Chats!

Katie + Lauryn do a deep dive on 20 questions that may be hot topics, controversial or  just fun! Come hangout, grab your fave drink + listen in!

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I love that melody. I know. That's amazing. Welcome. Cry babies. No crying on the internet. You cry babies. You cry babies. Who knows if that's gonna be the actual I know. I think that's a good one. Yeah, that is really cute. You guys are gonna be our little cry babies, so love it. You have no choice in the matter. Sounds fine, but I love to see it. So today we have a very special episode. If you haven't heard our intro episode, go check it out. Mm-hmm. Um, but we're doing 20 questions today, so just learning more about us. And then our next one is about relat. we just want you guys to get to know us on like a deeper level. Yeah., and we'll probably maybe learn some things about each other, honestly, from these questions. Who knows?, but yeah, so we came up with 20 questions and by we, I mean Lauren me Creative genius, um, came up with 20 questions and we're just gonna dive right into it. Honestly. Let's go for it. Cause I'm excited. Okay. So how it's gonna go is I'm gonna ask a question, Katie will answer, and then I will obviously answer as well., and then we'll just keep going back and forth. Beautiful. So first question is, do you believe in having a soulmate? Oh, you really switched it up. I was looking at the first question over here. Yeah. Oh my gosh. Nope. Um, I do. I, Okay, so beforehand I used to think we just had one soulmate. Mm-hmm. and. My ex told me I don't believe in that, blah, blah. And I remember getting so mad at him because I was like, Oh no, you're so many. But now I think we can have multiple, and I think that has changed because I'm literally divorced. So I don't know. I think maybe I thought about it beforehand, but I think we can have multiple, I think we have multiple. Yeah. But I do definitely believe in them. Yeah. What about you? So I'm actually surprised we're on the same page about this. Really? Yes. So, um, I think when I was younger, I definitely thought there's only one person for you. Yeah. That's like literally made for you. But once I actually started getting into like, like dating seriously and getting into actual romantic relationships, I was just sit, I would sit there and think like, you know, I personally think you can genuinely make it work with anybody that you really wanna be with anyone. in a sense. Yeah. If they wanna make it like that, if they wanna make it work with you and you, vice versa, you can make it work. I agree with that. And I think when you're raised religiously mm-hmm. I think that that can be, and we both were. And so I think that you think, oh, there is one person. Mm-hmm. And so I think now growing up, and I think like in the modern Christian world, we're kind of like diving into that a little bit more and kind of busting the myth, I guess. I don't know, I, I don't know. But I do think that there can be I do, I like what you said that anyone, I think you just have to make sure you have the same values, morals, all of that. But I think when you do, I think you can make it. Exactly. I think there's multiple for sure. Y'all, I cannot believe on the same page. Were you expecting something different from me? I thought you were gonna be like, No, there's only one for me. That's why I obviously, But here's the thing. Maybe there is a way she's like, Well, because I'm like, well, maybe my divorce was just like a lesson. and maybe there is one person out there for me, the hopeless romantic wants me to think there's one. Well, the thing is, and you know, I'm a hopeless romantic too, but it's just like, I don't know, like being in a relationship now where like, I feel like we both would do what we need to do to make it work. I'm like, Yeah, it's because we, we just, you're putting in the work. We're, Yeah. So I don't know. I, there's just so many people in the world. Yeah, no, that's true. Like you guys, our choices, little things change the tr trajectory of our life. Like, you never know what's gonna happen. Oh yeah. I mean, you never know. I thought my life was gonna be different a couple months ago. You never know. So it's like, yeah. You know, you meet so many different kinds of people and like the things, almost everything that I thought was gonna happen has not happened. Like that is like, so that is the facts. That's nice. Yeah. And like I'm just now getting to a point where I'm okay with it. And I think as far as having a soulmate, like, whew, I don't know, you can really get your feelings hurt thinking you really got one soulmate. That is true. Yeah. So, okay. Let's go into something you love doing as a kid that you want to start doing again or that you still do now. Oh my God, go for it. So I really love this question, because I read all the time. Yeah. Like when I was a little like going to this scholastic like book fair that's bringing such good memories, I mean, I would be so excited and like I can. coming home with like the little newsletter thing and circling the things I would want out of it and showing it to my mom and her being like, I'm giving you this much money. Make it work. And man, wow, I want a budget. You really had to figure out what you really wanted. Yeah. So I would get like, I love that so much. Yeah. So I would get like,, Junie b Jones books classic and like stuff like that, you know, that was my jam and I, and I just love to read. Yeah. Still. And I remember whenever I was still in college how hard it was for me to get by sometimes cuz I'm like, the last time I read a book was Moms in high School, but college is all boring books. it's all boring. And I'm like, it's, I just couldn't read anything for just enjoyment. Yeah. You know, it's just really escape. It's my favorite way to just like wind down and. dive into something that's totally unrealistic, that just would not happen. Um, so reading and I used to write, This is something I don't think you know about me, Ooh. So I used to write like scripts, short stories, kind of, I wrote short stories. Really? Yeah. That's so crazy. Like, I would, Cause I would like come up with these names really? And like, Yeah. And I'd be like, Oh, like, that'd be like a cool name. And I would literally write it out like a script in notebooks and like, that's something I want to get more back into cuz like, I wanna really dive into writing. Yeah. And having my own books and like publishing them and things like that. When you really Yes. I did not know that about you. I really do. I really think I do. That's amazing. I know it's weird. So I wrote,, I was a horse girl in like fourth and fifth grade and I wrote horse books, So me and my friends, like Spirit. Yeah. Kind of literally I would write horse books. Oh my God. That's not something I wanna do at the moment. So what about you? What, what is it then? Sophie, if you would've asked me a couple months ago, mine would've been reading too. But now I'm reading a bunch of nonfiction and I would not have done that as a kid, which is so crazy. Cause I do all I'm reading right now, nonfiction. It's all I'm into. Right. It's all I can, like, I don't know. For some reason I cannot read fiction right now. I don't know. So see, mine is coloring. I just got back into Coloring Love. So I've been like zoning out in a podcast and just coloring. So I'll bring it to like my family's house. I'll literally just sit, put my headphones on and color and it's been the best thing. I'll watch Gilmore Girls. Sometimes I'll listen or like I'll watch a YouTube video while I'm coloring, but it's good because I'm doing something with my hands and like my brain, you know what I mean? Yeah. Like I'm listening and also, and like it's, but it's a good way for me to like chill out and not like think. Yes. So that's my coloring. I love that I went through my little coloring phase again when I was in high school, when those adult coloring books came out. Yeah. That's literally what I'm doing. Oh. It was our jam. There was like, there was like several of us that I remember and we would color like it just at the most inappropriate times, like in the middle of class. Just like moving outta coloring books. Trying to, I wish I would've colored in class. Yeah. I think I would've paid attention more girl. I was in my own world then just like I am now. So Oh god, that's a good one. Okay, so what is the best compliment you have ever received? Ooh. I think honestly it's been all the compliments I've gotten lately. Like just, I mean, because this is the hardest thing I've ever had to go through. So people telling me like, you know, like one of my friends told me today, I've been handling it like a G So just like how much, how well I've handled this, I think has been so awesome because beforehand I don't think, I don't know, I just, I think that that is so nice and people, you know, Oh, also a compliment. This isn't really a compliment, but it felt like one, There's been a couple girls on TikTok that have said to me like, I've started going to therapy because of you, and that is like so heartwarming. That would make me cry. No, it did. Like, and, and. Girls telling me like, um, you know, I started my like, healing TikTok because of you. Like you, your page inspired my page. So things like that, like from people that I don't even know, it's like, oh my gosh. And I mean, I have a couple clients too who I've helped get into therapy who have been like, I think it'd benefit you. Like I love therapy personally. Yeah. So that's been something that's been so huge. So like, I think in my personal life, friends and family telling me like, You are so strong, like you've handled this so well. Yes. Cause I think anybody that goes through anything crazy is strong, but like, it depends on how well you handle it too. Like with grace and compassion and whatever. Or you can kind of freak out and let it control you. Mm-hmm. So I think that that's been super nice. And then, yeah, the therapy thing has been, Insane. That is such a good ass compliment. I don't know what I thought you were gonna say. I honestly that put me on the spot for a second cuz I was like, it makes you really think, I was like, shit, what do people do? That was a good question. Okay, what's yours? so mine has to be, This was just recently too, actually., since I started working at the spa and getting to know the people there. Yeah. The girl that works at the front desk with me literally said, I wish, I just didn't care as much about what people thought, you know, and, and like how you are. I aspire to be more like you every day, And I literally was like, That's so nice. When she said that, I was like, Girl, I do care. I like, I do, but I don't at the same time and not in like, Rude way. Yeah. At all. It's just that I think I'm at a point now where I realize like, I can't be bothered by you have good boundaries. People's opinions of me are, Yeah. I like, I know everyone's not gonna like me and especially in like a work setting, like the things that I'm asking someone to do or like whatever, have nothing to do with really me personally. It's the job. Yeah. Like I can't do this X amount of things for you because that is above me. Yeah. And honey, I only do things in my pay grade. So I mean I think you would literally, you, when we work together, I think you told me what to do all the time. all the time. Like Katie, like go do something. No, I was really bad about not doing anything ever. Geez. Gosh. She was really good at bullshitting y'all. She was so good at that. Was that I think I still am. I'm the queen of it. But yeah, when she told me that, That's so, like, I wish, I wish, like, I was just more like, That's cool because you haven't known her for very long. So for her to like, you like exude that though, that energy of just like, you're, I think it's more about you. We can all see it. I say we collectively, we can all see that you're just confident. And so it's like you are still an emotional person. Yeah. But you don't care about opinions of others, like what they think about you. Yeah. And when I like have those moments where I start to feel like that Yeah. I'm like, wait a minute. Yeah. Because they're basing that off of this one interaction or,, under preconceived notions. Yeah. Like, you know, and like, I, I did my best in that moment. It is what it is. Like it truly is what it is. You Well, if someone doesn't wanna take the time to have another interaction Yeah. And base their opinion off that one. That's kind of like, But if it's like, if we're talking about like you or like. Brittany or like Corey or like, you know, even my family sometimes, which that's a whole other conversation with, you know, their opinions and stuff. like outside of that, like, these people don't know me. Yeah. Like your close family and friends, that's what matters. Exactly. Then everybody else, it's like, and even then I'm not, you can't live to please other people. Oh, a hundred percent. So yeah. Her saying that. Yeah. Great compliment. That's an amazing compliment. Yes. Okay, let's do something kind of funny. It's a hot dog considered a sandwich. Absolutely not. Absolutely not. Sorry, I had to cut you off Okay. Before you answered Okay. But like, wouldn't it be a sandwich though? Because, because it's two pieces of bread, but is it two pieces of bread? No, it's one connected. So it's not a, but it breaks, it's two pieces of bread. It's not supposed to break though. It's not supposed to break. But you could literally put a hot dog. between like, like a, like an actual piece of bread. And I used to do that hot dog. I've had to do that too. Sad. I mean, kind of. Cuz it doesn't hit the same. Still not a sandwich though. It's it's a hot dog. So you think a hot dog is a hot dog? Yeah. What do you think? I don't know. I'm like staring at her eyes so hard right now. I know. Like I'm scared. I What do you think? I dunno. Honestly, honestly, we need y'all to, on the funny ones, please let us come down and give us, We have another funny one that me and Lauren will debate and I literally asked this all the time. she literally one day just randomly asked me this question. I like What a hot dog. I'm wanna say it's a sandwich because in general sense it literally is, it's a piece of meat between two things of bread. It's, that's a sandwich. Okay. But you can have a veggie sandwich and that has no meat. It's something between. I just don't think so. I think hotdog is classified as its own entity. It's own, It's like a subcategory, literally of sandwich. No, but then I guess that's still sandwich. That's what I'm saying. If it's the category, I'm gonna be d I wanna be different and say no. No, it's not. I don't, Okay. I'm gonna say it is. Okay. Papa, I'll to agree to disagree on that. Okay. All right. So next question. What is the worst advice you have ever been given? I knew you were gonna ask this one. I don't know why, but I felt it and I was like, I, I literally don't know what I'm gonna say if she asked this question. I've been avoiding this one. Um, worst advice I've ever been given. Can you go first? Cuz I actually really don't know y'all. I didn't know these questions beforehand, so I've had literally no, and she didn't, like, I don't have any like preconceived answers. honestly, I would say like, When I wrote this question, I just thought about like taking it back to high school. That's what I'm trying to do too. We're we're all like literal children trying to give each other advice on like relationships and stuff. And it literally also is just so bad. I think, you know, I understand this, but telling like people and everybody you have to go to college. That's something that I got a lot that, I mean I did go to college, but for something that was not really a degree, you know, So it's like, I think telling people that is bad advice or that's kind of, I guess, not bad advice I've been given because I did go to college, but I don't know. I'm trying to think. I do think, yeah, I'm sure we've all given, I just thought about mine, Oh, what is it? So at my previous place of employment, Yikes. one of my like leaders. After I was, you know, I honestly, y'all my last job that we can talk about that in a different episode, but emotionally, mentally, it really did a number on me. the environment was fine. The people were great. The job itself was absolutely terrible. Um, and when I was expressing all these things to one of my leaders, um, this person proceeded to say, Well, maybe this job would be a great way for you to work on your anxiety and work through that. No, they did not. Yeah, you did not tell me that. And I'm like, No, no, babe. I need to go to therapy. Like, no, my job is my job. And when I, That's, I'm sorry. That's, that's just terrible advice. Like, I know maybe I've had worse advice, but that I like still think about that off and on to this day. I hate that so much. Like, what do you mean? Like, I'm telling you that I'm so anxious, like I go to sleep, anxious about the next day. Yeah. Which means I'm not sleeping well. I'm nervous just throughout the day. Cuz it's like, it can be good now, but everything can go to crap in like minutes. I processed payroll before this, so if anyone's like, what was her job? I processed payroll and, um, it was rough to say the least. Yeah., but yeah, like she basically was trying to say like, well a job like this could like help you work on your anxiety. And I'm like, No, I think those things should be separate. Like that's no. Like, I wanna come to work to make my money. Yeah. And leave and be able to leave work at work. And when she said that, I was just like, you know what, maybe this place is not for me. Yeah, a hundred percent. I feel like it's not, I feel like too. Maybe I don't have a specific moment, but like worst advice or just whenever, you know, in your gut, like when people are like, Oh, just push through or like X, Y, and Z and you know, in your gut like, I don't wanna be doing this. Or like, you know, in your gut something different. That's always so annoying when it happens. Yeah. That story just reminded me of it when people are like, well maybe just, you know, push through in this topic or, and it's like, no. Yeah. Or like when someone says, like things will get better. Yes. When you're like in a really, or your gut is off, like trust it and it's like you're just saying that cause you don't know what else to say. A hundred percent. Yeah. And that's okay if you don't know what to say. Like Yeah. Like you don't have to say anything. Yeah. It'd be much be better if you just didn't say anything at all. Exactly. Okay. Um, biggest regret, Oh, I do have an answer to this one. Okay. Go for it. I regret not. It's continuing to play club volleyball whenever I was younger. Yeah, because I was pretty athletic and I didn't start playing volleyball until I was a little bit older, but at the time my coaches saw a lot of potential in me and was like, I think you should try out fun, like flat ball and like whatever you can continue. But yeah, like they encouraged me to try out, I did. I got on like the best like level that I could at my age group. Yeah. And I think because it was so much change and because I was more concerned about my social life and missing out on things at school, like I, I really didn't continue doing it and I kind of wish I did because I think that like, just kind of think about like what could have been is what I get stuck on. Yeah. So I would say that's like one of the things I regret, but what do I regret? Everything. No, I'm just kidding. Everything. Um, I feel like mine's kind of similar. I feel like maybe not pursuing music as much as I could be. Mm-hmm. or mm-hmm. or could have been just like, you know, it's hard when you get into a relationship, like, and this is so funny cuz my voice lessons teacher from, like, I, I took lessons from him from like 12th grade to eight. Wait, no. Sorry, 12. I was 12 years old to 18 years old. Okay. And sorry, he and um, he told me, he was like, Once you ever date someone, or he told me this, like, as I was older, obviously not as I was 12 years old, but like when I was starting to become like 17, 18, he's like, When you start dating someone, music is gonna be so much harder for you. Like, you're not gonna wanna write because all you write is sad songs. And so Oh really? Yeah, he told me that and I was like, No, that's literally, you're lying. And both times I've been in serious relationships. I have not wrote music as much or barely any. And it's always been after those that I've like wrote music and like fully pursued it. And so I think just like, I wish I would've continued writing and, and I mean, I've put stuff, I've put like, cover songs out while dating people, but not ever like focusing really on my music and like pursuing it. So that's something that I think I regret. What? That's really interesting that he said that to you. Right. And I remember it so much now, but back then I was like, you know, people, like older people tell you things and you're like, literally shut up. Like you don't know who you're talking about literally. And then sometimes they still don't, but no, sometimes they still don't. But sometimes maybe popping off, because this one I was like, Yeah, you're right. That's crazy. I know. Okay. All right. Well, isn't my turn to ask a question? Yeah. Okay. do you prefer movies or TV shows? TV shows a hundred percent. Same. I'm not really, like, honestly, I can't just sit down and watch a movie. I'm really bad. I have to be doing, like when I tell you like I'm coloring or I'm doing, I'm on my phone, Like I can't just be watching a movie. But TV show's so much easier for me to like do something. Like a series. Yeah. Or like having just like shows on the background. Like I'm not someone who. I watch all of YouTube. I'm not a big like TV or movie person. Yeah. But right now I'm watching. Speaking of off topic, have you been watching, uh, selling the oc? No. Is it good? Please start so we can talk about it on the podcast. I'll start. I need to hear your opinion about these people. Okay. Don't, So like, somewhere, I'm so opposite. It comes to liking people. I tell sometimes with, with, that's true. Sometimes we love the same people and hate the same people. Or sometimes we have such opposite people. I don't, I don't really think it's ever in the middle when it comes to that kind of stuff. Literally not, not ever in the middle. Well, I'm definitely more of a TV show person, but I will say I, if I do watch movies, I re-watch a lot of stuff. I rewatch a lot of movies that I've, I've already seen. Me too. Um, like holiday movies or like Christmas ones. Those are ones that I can rewatch and rewatch. I'm a big like holiday movie girl. Like I'll sit and watch like a Christmas movie, but I don't, I don't know unless I'm going to like the movie theater. You just really, I don't want to, I'm not trying to, Yeah, I said movie theater. I said that movie theater. Yeah. I said that kind movie. How are we supposed to say it? The theater. Movie. Theater. Theater. Yeah. But I said Theater tur. Theater. Tur. Enunciation. Um, um, I really like the TV shows. I mean, I like reality tv, so I'm all about it. That, that is. How did you like selling the oc? I probably would. Yeah. That's totally my vibe. I love reality tv, but I rewatch Twilight like once a week, so I mean, Twi Hungry used Twilight in a long time. I just, I don't know, it just hits the same every time. And it just like it's com Is it comforting? Yeah, I, It's really comforting. The second one, I don't necessarily, My gosh, I just, I love the, the whole, the whole shebang. You watch all four of them every single week. almost. I love that for you. I didn't know that. Or like, I'll at least get the first one in cuz I don't necessarily have the time to sit there and watch every single one. But like, if I like, have the time, I'm going to watch the whole series. Especially if it's Hunger Games too. Ooh. I love the Hunger Games. I love, I do love me in early two thousands movies. Those are my vibe. Yeah. I do love those. I love those. Okay. Okay. has a friend ever broken your heart? 100%. Wow. I could share some details. Yeah, absolutely. without going into too much detail. Yeah. I would say my mom. Okay. So my mom is like a very intuitive person. Yeah. She is one of those people where if you want something to happen in your life, and she just says it, it's, it's gonna happen. It's gonna happen. But like, you, like, I better hope that she can like, like she just says it and it just, you know, cuz if it comes out of her mouth, it's going to come to fruition. It's scary. It drives me nuts. That's insane. It drives me absolutely nuts too. Cuz she, she said that me and you, we haven't shared that we're gonna do what we're gonna do. I know. And, uh, we're doing it. That is true. And we're gonna dive into that. Should we just say it? Um, no, let's wait. No, I don't have to say it. We'll wait. I love that. For us, we're not gonna share that yet. Um, but she was right about that. Yeah. And when it comes to just a little backstory, her mom said something and then I said the same thing the next day. Mm-hmm. or like a It was a, it was, it was a week. Oh, it was a week, Okay. It was about a week apart, but so we had never. Doing this specific thing before ever. Mm-hmm. And then I was just like, I think it could be fine. And then Lauren was like, Oh my God. Literally have to tell you what my mom said. And now we're doing it. Yeah. And so to circle that back to this question, my mom was very much right about a certain person that was in my life at one time. a friend I had, and she had told me she's not your friend. Like, yeah, it's not gonna last. It's not, you know, she's just not a good friend to you. And like, we were younger and like, we're still really not friends now. Like, no hard feelings, we just aren't. but long story short, it was like, it was almost like if I said I wanted something, it's like she would have it. Like, Who? Your mom? No, like this friend. Oh. Like, it's like, it's like, it was almost like one of those things where you don't realize you're telling someone too much until you're like, Oh, crap. Everything. So like, anytime you said that you wanted something, she would just slow. She would just have it. Like, it could be a friend, it could be, um, a crush. Like she would go after it the next Yeah. No, that's us. Or like, I would, or it can be an idea or something. But you said, I like this person. She would try and go after that person. You could like, I could literally visibly see like, like, you're flirting with this person. You're like, Yes. Not a good friend. Yes. And my mom was right about that. and it was just like, and the reason it broke, it broke my heart because it was like, I could tell if me and her were hanging out, we were fine if we were in a group. It was almost like I was, she was trying to ostracize me Yeah. In that group. And then I would, and I like consciously realized this, still trying to make. the friendship work and I'm like, like it's, yeah, it's just sad because I felt very lonely at that time. Yeah. and I mean, in my adult life, like I've had people, like, like friends break my heart in the sense where it's like I share something really exciting and it just like they don't have that same energy or it's like, okay, that's cool. Anyways, back to me. No, that's frustrating. It's frustrating when you have, cuz that's the biggest thing is like, as adults, we should be each other's biggest hype people. Exactly. This world is so, not to be cynical, but like, it's just so, it's hard already. So it's like everyone's after the same thing or like, you know, we're all after success I guess in our own ways, but still it's hard and a lot of people. Hype other people up, you know? Exactly, exactly. So that's, that's, you know, that was a harsh thing to realize, but that's why you have like your acquaintances, your friends, and you have like your best that you can tell anything to, and you know they're going to cheer for you a hundred percent. And I, and I just hope everybody finds that person if they haven't already. Yeah. Or those people because it's, it makes a world of a difference. No, a hundred percent. So I would say mine was high school too. Mm-hmm. and then going into college. but we were best friends from like seventh grade. Mm-hmm. to freshman year of college. I think freshman year were things just, I mean, you're not living the same life anymore, you know? No. And so I got into a relationship and she kind of, you know, got into more like partying and stuff. And I mean, honestly, I think part of it, maybe this goes into like the regretful thing that we just talked about, but like, I wish I wouldn't have. Not that I don't, not that I wish I would've gotten, not gotten in that relationship. I mean, it was a shit relationship, but everything happens for a reason. I, I truly believe that. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. But I wish I would've still made that friendship a priority because I felt bad for years, and I finally ended up, and I mean, we're on good terms now. Like we've, I saw her last year, I think at some point. Mm-hmm. But I mean, it's not like we're best friends like we were, I mean, we're probably just more so acquaintances. But I mean, for so many years I thought she hated me. And for some reason I have this weird feeling that like everyone from my high school doesn't like me. Like all my friends from my high school don't like me. But because I kind of like, I kind of ostracized myself. Like everyone kind of went to, you know, the two big schools that we have. And then I went to a smaller school and I didn't talk to anybody anymore. Mm. And so, I just like, I mean, I think I tried, but it's hard. It's just hard when you make new friends and you're working and going to school. And so, yeah, I think that is one thing that was hard, but I don't think I would've had the friendships that I have now. So I think that it always, it was like meant to kind of, Yeah. Like I think it was all, I don't, I can't see myself being best friends with those people anymore. Yeah. So it's like, I mean, I'm happy with how things worked out, but I would say that that broke my heart. But I think I also kind of did that to myself. Yeah. Like it's just like I didn't, I probably didn't try hard enough. She probably didn't try hard enough and then, And time just does what time does and Yes. And the one thing leads to another and you're just not close anymore. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. I feel that. So is my turn right? Yep. Okay. Something you were scared to try but really want to do. Oh, I think there's a lot of things. I would love to, I'd love to go snowboarding. I think that would be really fun. Mm-hmm. But I'm really scared to do it. That is really terrifying. So I watch, um, this show on Bravo, it's called Winter House. Ooh. And like they basically, it's this group of people and they're just, they live in this house for two weeks, I think. Something like that. And I would like watching them snowboard and stuff. It kind of scares me. Yeah. I don't know if I actually could, I hate skiing. I don't know why I would like to go snowboarding. I think, honestly, what's the difference is skiing the thingy, The poles. Yes. And the snowboarding is like literally like mm-hmm. honestly, both of them. It's like, I hate skiing. Cause watching them really hate it, bust their ass. I'm like, Yeah. I also really, something I would love to do here is roller skate. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Just talked about that. Love to go roller skating. But I just, I see. When I was younger, I know. I'm just, I don't wanna fall on my ass. I know. I'm going to, so I just haven't Yeah. Just gonna hurt. Yeah, I haven't taken the plunge and like bought the stuff, but I think it could be fun to like roller skate and stuff. But other than that, I feel like I was gonna say something like social media related, but I'm not really, I feel like I go for it with social media. Oh yeah. If I have something, I'm not afraid to like be vulnerable and share it. I mean, literally on my TikTok the other day, I was doing TikTok live and someone told me, a guy, literally of course, and he didn't have a profile picture and he said, I need to go eat a salad And I also just laughed about it. I was like, Probably you're right. You, Yeah. Like get your grains in. Yeah. Like, I literally just laughed off. I was like, Thanks. And then another guy calmed him, was like, You look like Haley Bieber. I was like, No, I do not. But thanks for the And I didn't know if he was like, completely like satirical. Yeah. Like making fun of me. But I was like, I'll take it as a compliment. So I'm not, I don't think I'm really scared to do things social media wise. I think mine's just, yeah, like, I don't know. I don't know. What else, What are yours? Um, well I really wanna go skydiving. Oh, hey, I, no, I wanna have really bad, I dunno why. I just do. Has that always been a dream of yours or it's more like, I remember this because since you've known me, not necessarily like the last like two years I've thought about it and I, and I've like, Really it's from watching these videos of people doing it and it makes me so emotional. I think it'd be very liberating. Yeah. I'm like, it makes me so emotional for some reason, watching people do that. And, um, Hot air balloon. Yeah, like a hot air balloon would love, but honestly, too scared. I would say like bungee jumping, like, yeah, something like that. Mine are so much more tame compared to you. And I'm like, I just wanna go like, jump off the building I'm like, huh. I'm like really speedy. But I think it honestly stems from the fact that when I was, um, younger, I was really scared of roller coasters. I'm still scared of roller coasters. I think I am, I think there's a slight fear there, but I, I felt, I think I actually broke myself from it because whenever I was a junior, I think going in, no. Going into my senior year of high school, my basketball team went to Florida. Oh my gosh. That's so fun. Yeah, it was for a basketball tournament. And then we also went to Disney World and I didn't want to be the lame person. Yeah. In the group that didn't ride any of the rides. And so I made one person sit with me on every ride or next to me, close to me. Really? Yes. Shout to Alyssa cuz she, She did that. She's a real one. She's a real one for that. And I think I literally broke myself out of it. I'm like, I would get on a roller coaster now. You love 'em. I don't necessarily know if I love them. Oh. But I think But you'll ride the feeling though, like afterwards I'm like, okay, that's not bad. And it's actually fun. I kind of wanna do it again. Yeah. It's liberating after Exactly. During it, I hate it. Like I haven't really got that feeling again in a while and I'm. I think like doing something's going. Six flag. Can I get it again? Yeah. And like skydiving and, Oh, that's sweaty bun jumping. Wouldn't get me the same, the same feeling. That's terrifying. So that's, that's know from me. But yeah. I'm interested to hear this opinion of yours, which is worse? A friendship breakup or romantic relationship breakup? Friendship breakup. 100%. Absolutely. I think, I'm gonna have to disagree. Really? Yeah. It, it all depends. It really all depends. I would say your opinion is probably more interesting than mine because you've been through More than, Than I have in that sense. I've, Cause I've, through a breakup, I've been through a friendship breakup. Oh, my breakup wasn't even like, I didn't care. your relationship. My first relationship, I was like, I didn't care. Shout out to him. He's doing just fine without me, so, Oh Lord. Yeah. Yeah. But I think yours is actually gonna be more interesting than mine. you've been through more in that sense? I, yeah. I think for me, I think it's gonna depend on every single person. What, probably, because some people can have really rough friendship breakups, and then some people can have really rough relationship breakups. Mm-hmm. and just weirdly enough, I have had bad picks. So are we on opposite sides of the coin on this? Yeah. I'm romantic relationships just cuz I've been through more romantically. Yeah. And I, I feel like. I feel like you've kinda had some bad friendship. Yeah. Breakups I have and I struggled. Yeah. And I've struggled with friendships, I feel like, um, like the last few years. And I'm in a place now where like things are a lot more settled in that sense. and I think I'm just coming to really understand just how important it is Yeah. To water your friendships because a hundred percent there are friends I've had through all the relationships, through all the friends that have come and gone, whatever, they, they know me. Yeah. They know younger me. They know me now and like they'll know me 10 years from now. Yeah. And I feel confident in that and I've learned so much from, and like. I don't know man. Like friendships are so important. Yeah. And especially cuz as you get older it's hard to make new friends, especially if, if you like are wanting to make new ones. Cause sometimes some people are pretty much like, I'm set like I got my people. But if you care if I make a new friend in a stable rela or a stable job and like new people aren't coming in, it's hard. Besides your job, it's really hard to make friends. Yeah. Outside of that. And so you really have to, I don't know, like water, the ones you have, water are the ones you have and take care of those friendships. The same amount of energy that you put into your romantic relationships. Like a lot of the things that apply to a romantic relationship also do apply to a friendship. A hundred percent. And I wouldn't say that like I would say now more in my life, obviously I'm watering friendships and trying to hang out as much as I possibly can with everybody. Cuz I know this phase won't last forever. Where like everybody you know, isn't married and doesn't have kids and all of that kind of stuff, but, Yeah. I would say like I'm on the opposite side because I've had a worse romantic relationship, but now I'm on the side of like watering my friendships more. Yeah. And everything like that. Yeah, exactly. So that, that was a good, I like that little discussion that we had. That's good. That was really good. Okay. So what is one thing that will always make you smile? You What make me so sad? Honestly, though. Yeah. Like friends and family. Oh, like a hundred percent. my cats. Yeah. like a funny podcast. Mm-hmm. there's a lot of things when you really start to like, think about it, there's like, wait, there's a lot of things that actually make me smile. Yeah. That make me happy. Mm-hmm. But you can get into such a mood where you're like, everything's going wrong and I everything suck, blah. Yeah. Like when you're going through like a transitional period. But I think, yeah, I think literally going on a walk by myself with Starbucks. That makes me smile and like a, a good podcast. Mm-hmm. I'm thriving there. Like literally thriving. Yeah. What about you? For me, I would say like a gloomy day. I love a good gloomy day. No. You know how I am. I'm like the opposite. I love when it's like Gotham outside. I did actually like the weather yesterday. Were you thriving? Yes. Yes. Like when it's just, I don't know. There's something about the cloudy day. Honestly, the perfect weather that would make me smile is 100%. Like it's overcast, but it's like 70 ish degrees. It's not cold at all. There's no wind and it's not humid. Like it's just you need to live in like Seattle. Perfect. In like the summer. I, Yeah. Or like the fall, I guess something. If not like, I like being by the beach though too. Oh, me too. Water makes me happy. I water the ocean makes me. So happy. I don't love necessarily being in the ocean, but being next to it with a good bow. Absolutely. And maybe a topo Chico. Ooh, that sounds amazing right now. It does. And it's like as, it's like 30 degrees here we're talking about. Oh, literally. I'm like, I think I need that. Or like, fresh baked cookies, you know, I love sweets and stuff. I just made myself homemade cookies for the first time ever through the day. Ooh. Was it good? They were so good. Oh my god. I didn't make you them. Okay. You um, It's my turn, right? I think so. What was the last thing you cried about? Um, I know what it is from today. Didn't, didn't cry about that actually, I did. I almost did. Cause I was, she got so mad at her boyfriend. I did What? Stupid shit. for sure. But I mean, wait, take it from me. Don't get mad at them for stupid things. don't fight over the small things. You never know what's gonna happen. End up like me. Divorce. Lovely. Oh my gosh. That's funny. That is funny. I didn't decide if I wanted to talk about why I went to Atlanta yet. Oh yeah. Actually I Did you cry about it after? Um, I cried. Cried. I cried like so I actually had a friend that went with me. Yeah. I'm so on the street when I tell you I was Are you gonna talk about in Israel? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. When I tell you I was literally. The most hype I think I've ever been when I got this news, because this is a massive takeaway. So, long story short, I am signed to a modeling agency here in my city in o kc. And so like, that's something that I really want to do. And, you know, I ended up submitting for, um, this campaign, um, with Good American, like Chloe Kardashian's Denim brand. And I got a call back That's amazing. Like a, like an invite. Like, like they saw my stuff and they wanted me to come. So I threw together like a very impromptu trip. Literally Lauren last week said, I need you. I have a small favor. And I said, Okay. And I was thinking, she's like, You have to, we have to go somewhere. And I was like thinking, Okay, Target, Walmart, where do you need me to take you? She was like, we're going to Atlanta, Georgia next week. And I was like, I'm literally moving that day. I absolutely cannot go with you. But I would. Oh, Katie's a writer. She would, I know. She would've like, Really? Oh, I told her when she gets this, like not if when she gets this, I'm going to LA with her. Yeah. So I will throw some clothes in a bag, some money, and we are on our way. So I ended up like going down there for this. It's basically like an audition to be in the campaign. And I heard that Chloe like literally handpicks those people that get an That's what I heard. Wow. That's crazy. I heard that. Chloe. Now the people may correct me. Mm-hmm. I don't know, but I heard Chloe hand picks the people that get an invite. Only, it's so crazy. And you got an invite only. Yeah, and it was just so crazy because I have applied for it before one other time. and I didn't get it. I didn't go to the open casting. I was like, Okay, whatever. this time around I was like, I'm going regardless. Yeah. I'm gonna go. And I ended up getting that email and I just, I cried about it because like my mom was like, You're doing something. Like, I wanted to You about to cry right now. No, I'm not gonna, Maybe not. I don't know. Oh, okay. I saw your little eyes watering. I thought, I don't know. Maybe you're right. Crying a little bit. but like my mom just like really being supportive and like Yeah. You're like, no matter what happens, like you just getting up and going. It's such a big deal, like it's incredible. So like you're driving to get there at like the last minute. Well and the weirdest thing was you told me like two weeks before you got this, you were like, Ugh, I just don't know if I wanna do modeling anymore. Yeah. Like X, Y, and Z. And I was like, Okay, yeah, whatever you'll do. And all of those emotions just like coming back, I'm like, okay, wait, maybe I am on the right track. Like even if it doesn't work out, like it's fine. I'm like, it's the fact that one of the biggest, I mean honestly, yeah, one of the biggest denim like company. Honestly maybe one of even the biggest brands in like the US Maybe I don't invited you to literally come. It's insane. And so that's the last thing I cried about. And it was funny cuz I cried about it like on the trip, but my friend that I went with was asleep when I was driving and I cried for myself and she didn't even know this. It's so funny. But I don't know, it was just, it's just like really nice to know that like, Like you're wanted in this space that like you really wanna be a part of. Ooh, I love that. Yeah. Yeah. Like I love that. Yeah. It feels probably very like validating. It does. Cause I'm like, okay, like I'm not crazy. Like I really wanna do this. And it's something I've always been interested in. Yeah. Ever since I was little. So yours were happy tears. Oh yeah. Absolutely. Just being very grateful. and having that feeling was just, it was very overwhelming. Yeah. But it was a good way. So that's the last thing I cried about. Wow. Not a turn mine into a sat. No, I'm just kidding. I did, I cried on what, today's Tuesday. I cried Sunday. I did cry Friday. Cuz I was like, I cannot believe that. Like, I'm so grateful that I'm able to afford this apartment. And I just like literally went into my apartment and I cried and thanked God. Like literally. And then Sunday I cried. Sad tears because I was talking about this on TikTok, but I'm in this really weird space where I don't feel like the ground is being ripped underneath me anymore. And, but I don't feel like I'm healed. at all. Like I don't feel like I'm, I feel like I'm getting there. I can see the light at the end of the tunnel, but it's gonna take a lot longer for me to become Yeah. Healed. And so I'm in this kind of like lonely space where like, I don't know, just like being on my own and actually living in an apartment on my own scares me. Mm-hmm. and being alone scares me. My therapist literally told me, I have to stop saying the alone word. She was like, You have to start saying independent now. She doesn't want you to stay alone. No. So she was like, You're living independently. Oh my God. Like, you're doing the same thing, doesn't it? Yeah. And so she was like, You cannot say that anymore. Cuz I have this really weird thing where I consider, I think lonely and alone are the same thing, and they're not at all, like, I can be alone for my evenings and not be lonely. Mm-hmm. But for some reason I think like, Oh my God, you know, no one wants to hang out with me. Or like, I'm totally alone and lonely. And it's like, no, you're not. It's okay to like, it's okay to love me. Like love my own time with me. I'm not there yet. So that was like kind of overwhelming for me on Sunday because I used to love being alone and like I used to love my me time and now I'm, I get stressed when I'm alone. Like, I'm like, uh, I don't wanna be alone. Like, I don't wanna be here. And so that was a little overwhelming. But I think one thing I'm really trying to do is sit in the uncomfortableness. I'm just uncomfortable with it right now. And I know that I won't be forever, but right now I'm trying to sit in being uncomfortable and that's hard. Like, that's part of healing. So I'm just like, that's what I'm trying to do. Well it's cuz like, like you literally were like yanked out of the ground, like, and the roots are just, were like hanging out. Yes. And like now you're like replanting yourself. I love that. Yeah. Like my roots are in the ground now, but they're not, they're not rooting yet. They're not, they're not like intertwined with the rest of the foundation yet. Yes. It's like I'm getting, I've been planted now. Yeah. In my own space. Yeah. I feel good about it. I have a lot of unpacking I still need to do, but. It's like, I'm not, Yeah. I'm like in this weird middle ground. Yeah. Well that's good for me to hear, just because like I've, I mean, life has been crazy for you. Yeah. And like because of how quickly things have changed, I think you're like, you feelings about it and like your healing has also been kind of on that same trajectory in a sense. Yeah. Which I think is part of why it's like you would have like these shocking, just like, like you think you're doing okay and then one day you're just super upset. Yes. And you all of a sudden think you're not on the same track as you thought you were. And I'm like, Dude, you are still okay. A hundred percent. You were still doing that. Were you worried about me? Hell yeah. everyone I asked that, they're like, Yeah. And I'm like, Oh yeah, that makes me feel good, but also makes me feel sad. No one worry about me just because I'm like, Cuz I think too, you. Don't see yourself the way that, like, I see you in like a really just like independent person and that you can take care of yourself, you think. Of course. Well, thank you so much. Think that's why I cause of when I got to, when we became friends though, you were on your own. Yeah. You know, and you were in our relationship, but like, I was living all my own, You were all living on your own. You were taking care yourself and just having to do what you had to do. Yeah. And that's why I like thanked God when I moved into my apartment. Yeah. Cause I was like, if this would've happened a year ago, I would've been screwed. Mm-hmm. like financially, everything. And now I have a great like career that, you know, I can afford to live on my own and can't afford to like buy groceries and like do what I gotta do. So I was just like, thank you so much, God. Because I like Yeah. What you said, I live got ripped. Mm-hmm. from what I knew. So yeah. It's, it is cool. And like, I mean, the apartments I live in are great. Like they're, I feel so good being in them. I feel so safe, like everything's good, but, And with how quickly everything happened, like. What a blessing it is for you to what a blessing. Feel that way in your new living space? A hundred percent. No, a thousand percent. Who knows? Like you have no idea what could have happened. Like, Oh yeah. I told my family, I was like, if I would've jumped the gun and tried to go anywhere else at any other apartment, I don't think I would've loved it as much as these. Mm-hmm. And it just worked out the way it was supposed to do. Okay. So pet peeves on social media. Okay. Well I'm gonna have different takes on this than you because I'm in the fitness world and so People that say they're coaches or influencers that have no certifications. That's so annoying to me because you're literally playing with someone's health. And that pisses me off so much when people, There's a couple MLMs out there that say they're coaches that I'm not a big fan of, but also just individuals that think they know a lot and are trying to give advice or you know, friends and family are trying to give you advice about the carnivore diet or a keto diet. And it's like, okay, can you just leave that to professionals? Like you wouldn't ask somebody, I don't know, this is farfetched, but you wouldn't talk to someone about, I wouldn't talk to you and ask your advice about my brain. Like I'd go see a neuroscience or something. You know what I mean? So it's like why do we do that about our health so much? Yeah. I think people like don't realize that our health literally is all we have for our lives. So that's one of my biggest things. And then people who I'm talking all about influencers, I don't know if you're going like friendship or influencers. It can be. But like when influencers only post ads, And don't post anything else. Oh my gosh. That drives me nuts. It's like, bro, can we say a little bit about your life, especially post or let do one story and then the next one will be an ad and then once and then like there's like 10 ads a day. Mm-hmm. And it's like, okay, I know you have to pay bills, but like that is so many ads. My brain is like overstimulated. And what makes me send too is like you find like influencers and you're like, Oh my gosh, I love them. They're like my favorite, whatever. And then you see that and start to start to happen. Yeah. That's one I literally, specifically what I'm thinking about right now, And I'm just like, Please. It's like I can't, I can't do this. I, I think for me, like pet peeves, like social media, pet peeves are like when people just aren't being, Here's my thing, it's social media, so do what you want with it. But people that preach like transparency and like, especially with like, if they're talking about transparency, like physically, so like not using a filter and whatever, and I'm like, That's funny because you're clearly wearing a filter right now. Ew. I hate that. I can't stand that. Where if someone says they're all natural and then you're like, I think you got bow like, and that's, we don't know for sure, but it's like, just own it. Own. I feel like now we're in a culture where like you can just own it and who cares what, what other people have to say about it cares. And my thing is, it's your prerogative if you don't wanna share, but like, don't say don't claim one thing. Exactly. Yeah. Mine's about claiming. Yeah. Either share or don't share. That's totally up to you. Like if you get Botox and then you're like, I'm just not gonna share it. Mm-hmm. that's totally fine. But don't, I don't know. You know what I'm saying? Drives me nuts. I, I totally understand. That's so annoying. That's funny. okay, what do you think of someone's first impression of you? I feel like people's first impression of me is like, Wait, should we do the other, like the other person People think of like what I think people think of, of, yeah. Okay. So, okay, so I'll do your what I think people's first impressions of you. Yeah. So the way I think, I think people think Katie is really charming. Really? Yes. I think they think you are really confident what? Yes, Yes. I don't see any of this and super friendly, like open, like bubbly. Bubbly. That's, I would think very bubbly. Yes. Especially because like I've been around you whenever you've met new people that don't know you. Yeah. And I know how I get when I'm around you specifically, cuz I feel like it's almost like. I can like relax a little bit. Cause she can take same, she can do all the like, Oh yeah, yeah. Like I can take the hit for us. Yeah. Cause I'm like, I don't have to, I don't wanna do it. You know? And so I'm the one that literally will keep conversations going. Yeah. Cause I'm like, I'm over it. I don't wanna talk about it. But yeah, sometimes you'll literally shut down. Mm-hmm. like you're rebooting. And I'm literally over here like, Okay. And so then I literally have to keep the conversation going. I'm just like, Just ignore Lauren. She's just gonna sit here and just zone out. Yes. Because Katie's really good at just like, just having those conversations and I'm like, Okay, I'm gonna go over here. And like literally, Is there a bar? Is there food Great. That's funny. That's Yeah, that's what, that's what I think people think of you. We should do. Okay, let's do both. So like now what people, what you think people think of you, and then I'll do it for both too. Okay. So for me, I feel like people think I'm not very nice. Really? Yeah. I feel like people think I am. It's that, And I also feel like people think I'm more extroverted than I am. Uh, yes. I was gonna say that too. Like, I don't know what it is, but it's like when I first meet people, like I want people to be comfortable mm-hmm. And so, and I don't like sitting in silence around, especially people that I don't know very well cannot do that. Like, if it's people I know, like it's fine. And people that like, I'm really good friends with my best friends, all that. Like, that's fine. Yeah. I'm talking about like new people. Those awkward silences. Can't stand them. No. I will literally talk to a brick wall. Yeah. Like, I wanna be like a chat, I'm like a chat Cathy to those people. And, but like, I don't think, like, I'm genuinely, like, I'm more of an introvert, but I definitely think people see me as like more intimidating than I actually am. Yeah. and more extroverted instead. I was gonna say extra extroverted too, because I think you kind of put on that front for a bit, for sure. Mm-hmm. I was gonna say like authentic, like I think people can see you're really authentically yourself. Oh really? Yeah. Like you don't change for anybody. You say what you wanna say. Mm-hmm. you like speak your truth, which I think people really admire cuz I think a lot of people are scared to do that. Oh. Like, truthfully. That's so sweet. And then I was gonna say, I had more to say, but I literally forgot. I think funny. I think people think you're really funny. Yeah. I think your humors, I think literally anytime you've been around anybody that I've known, they you've always made them laugh. Oh. And I think you're good at connecting with people too. Mm-hmm. That's so weird because I do think you're more extroverted than you give yourself credit for. Really? Yeah. I think you might be an extroverted introvert. Like you need that alone time, but you're not. Yeah. I don't really think you're one or the other. Yeah. I think you can be extroverted, but when you. Like you when, how you recharge is by being introverted, reading, watching shows like that kind of stuff. But you're really good about, I mean, there's a few times you've left me alone with a new person, but like other than that, you're pretty good about like chatting with people. Yeah. And like asking people, like when we were at dinner and you ask that server Oh yeah. To go. Yeah. I was like, whatever. Like you're very good about just asking people to go do things or like, These people don't know us. I'm like, whatever. See, I'm scared. I'm like, I'm embarrassed. Yeah. No. Yeah. Katie was whatever. She won't care if I say that. So we went to dinner and well, I care. I don't know. She, I don't, I thought a guy was cute. She was cute. Yeah. And, but I knew he was married, y'all. And he had a feeling, Well, we need clarification. I need a little bit of validation in that. And I asked the server, I'm like, Can you just go over there and check and see if he has a ring? She had to walk by the, the table. Anyway. Yeah, she did. Because I'm like, that's if I walk up to the table, I wasn't feeling that. I was like, Nah, maybe no. And I wasn't going to it either. No, That's an absolute no. No. And I think you would've been so, so embarrassed. But y'all, I'm in my recluse mode. She is. I just told Lauren that like literally don't want to date anyone for a year. I want to be literally reading books, non-fiction only. Yeah. Listening to really good like educational podcasts about the brain and health and whatever. And working on my career and working on my friendships and family. That's it. And if y'all kept me doing anything else for the rest of the year, smack me. You put her in check. Put her in. Put me in check. Yeah. I was gonna say, for me, I think people think that I'm innocent. Do you think people think I'm innocent? I think I'm, I can maybe. Yeah. Yeah. I think I'm kind of, I think I kind of come off like that and I am kind of innocent. Like I don't kind of, And just in the sense of like, I mean, I have a sailor's mouth for sure. Yeah. But like, I don't know. I'm like not a party girl and I'm not. Mm-hmm. you know, I don't like smoke. I don't drink, so I'm just kind of like chilling in the corner. I feel like. Yeah. But I feel like bubbly is the word that I always get. People describe me like, Oh you're so bubbly. Cause you're very like smiley and like, I think people think that's flirting a lot of the time. And I'm straight up not for sure. Like, I'm nice. Don't, don't get that twisted with other intentions. Yeah, That's funny. If I'm not nice to you and I'm like my cheeks are red, I probably do like you cuz I'm just embarrassed. But if I'm talking to you, I probably don't like you. I haven't been around like a person that like, I mean besides Corey like. but I was intentionally like looking like, just looking for attention whenever me and him met. Yeah. So I was just like, whatever. Like I'm single. I just want guys to tell me I'm pretty Okay. That's where I'm at right now. I'm like, I want someone to tell me I'm pretty, but I don't want, I don't wanna date you and I don't wanna go on actual dates. Actually, I was telling a friend the other day, I was like, I wanna go on a date so I can get my food paid for. Exactly. And like have a good dinner. Like I think there's nothing wrong with that. Well, I'm getting to the point now that I'm like, a date doesn't make me wanna throw up anymore. Like I think it could be like fun to go casually date somebody. Mm-hmm. I do not want a relationship. Yeah. At. Oh, call if you catch me in a relationship before, before whole year over with sister said she's gonna be single Four years. That's, and that is September to September. Everybody, she's like, count down the day that 10 more months. Wait, really? I'm just joking everybody. I'm actually gonna be single. No, she, she's gonna, I think, I think you are definitely gonna be in your actual single girl era. Re close, but not like partying. Not, yes. Not like party girl. Like, But my thing is if, if you, But I do wanna go out for a bit. Yeah. I wanna go out sometimes, but I'm saying like, just straight up not me saying that. And I don't go out either I know. I'm like, who are you? We should, Sometimes you go out with me. That'd be fun. We should some time. Yeah. We, yeah, we would've a good time for sure. Okay. We, we literally said we're gonna speed around this and we have, it's just gonna be wrong. What is something you value the most in a person? I value in a person? I think their ability to make me feel comfortable. I don't know what word for that is, but I really enjoy meeting a person. Yeah. And, and like immediately being like, I really like them, they're really cool. And being able to talk to them. maybe, I don't know, maybe it is authenticity. Yeah. I don't know. It could be the word. but because like I'm in a place now where I feel like I'm surrounded by like really awesome people. Yeah. there's so many people that I feel like I could actually go to and like, talk to that would listen to me and like, you know, take what I'm saying. Seriously. Cuz I feel like that's something I've struggled with in the past. People not taking me serious. Yeah. Because I can tend to be a bit dramatic at times. Oh. Just a little bit. But like, Even then though, like I still feel like it's why our podcast is called No Crying on the We were the J Queen. Yeah. You guys like the literally today, the reason I was mad at Corey, That's so stupid. To get mad at him because I was cold. That's literally why I was upset. That's okay though. I got over it though. We live in, we learn. But that's time I got here. Well, actually before I left I was fine. Yeah, you were totally fine. But like, stuff like that and I think like existential circumstances can play a part. Yeah, for sure. Definitely. It's definitely dispersed. Sorry, everybody. so what, what about you? Something I value, I think vulnerability. The ability to let me be vulnerable and the other person be vulnerable. Mm-hmm. Cause that's something super important to me. Mm-hmm. is just like emotionally, like how good are you? Like where's your emotional maturity at? Yeah. You know what I mean? I think also, I really don't know. That's something that honestly, I mean, as far as friendships, Yeah. Like authenticity, like that's gonna be the biggest thing for me is just being authentically yourself and if we vibe when we're both being authentically ourselves. Mm-hmm. But I would say for like, like that is something that I really, actually want to focus on this year, is having a list of things I want in people surrounding me. Yeah. Which I feel like my friendships, they're on point right now. Like, I feel like I'm watering my friendships, you know, if I meet other people that's fun, but like, I kind of like, I like having a smaller circle anyway. Yeah. So that's fun for me. But yeah, I also thought of something else actually. Um, Which is, I feel like you'll be like, Really? That's interesting. But I really, I kind of like being around people that are clearly not afraid of confrontation. Oh yeah. Like I, because I was just telling someone how bo someone about how both of us are pretty good about if we we're feeling some type of way, we'll just tell each other. Yeah. But like that I would, I'm like that with you. But I feel like I could be better about that with like the general public Yeah. You know, cuz sometimes I'm like, I really should have said something, but I can be a little bit too nonchalant. And I'm like, sometimes you need to learn. Sometimes it festers too. Make it, Yeah. Or like having that feeling where like something goes down and you walk away and you were, you were sitting there thinking about what you didn't say. yes. That happens to me so much in my close friendships. I think I'm okay with confrontation and. Like the general public where I'm like, I really don't like what that person said to that other person. Like, That's so annoy. Yeah. Yeah. Like, I wish I would've said something. And then it's like it eats you up. So confrontational people. Not like, No, not not every day, like, like fights and stuff. But yeah, when I see them do it in a way that I would want to do it, I'm like, I think we are. So as like, I don't know if it's a society or a generational thing. This is like kind of deep whatever. We're so afraid of confrontation. Yeah. And like how are we ever gonna be better friends or better partners or anything if we don't confront, of course doesn't mean pick fights, like you said. Yeah. But we can't be afraid of confrontation. Yeah. I think there's such a thing as held confrontation. Exactly. The confrontation has a negative connotation to it. Confrontation has a negative connotation to it. I thought that was funny. Wow. I'm like a poet over here. I know. Okay. Fact about you. That would surprise people. I don't really think anything. I don't think anyone, I think I'm so, I think I'm so vulnerable with everyone. Yeah. Cause you, you do share a lot. I share literally my entire life. I think if people didn't know I sang then, then I'm a singer. But like, I think everyone knows everything about me. Mm. Do you know like, Yeah, I think I'm super, I think. kind of what we talked about. Like I'm, I, I don't know if people think I'm conf. I mean, you said that I come off as confident to people, but I think they would be shocked to think that I'm really scared to be dependent on myself. Mm-hmm. Something like that. Maybe. I mean, Yeah. Cause I mean, that's super deep and people that like know you Yeah. That probably don't realize that. Like, I know it'll get better and I know that it, it's just an uncomfortable thing right now. Mm-hmm. But it's like a lonely, uncomfortable thing. I'm like having to work through, but only I can work through it on my own. Mm-hmm. do you know what I mean? Yeah. Like, I, like I can hang out with all the people and I love doing that. And that helps. Honestly, that's been the number one thing that's helped. But there also comes a point where you have to sit by yourself. Yeah. And that's what I'm doing right now. Yeah. So it's like, great. But I would say that that what what for you? This is a hard question. It is a hard question and I'm kind of thinking of several things. I think the writing thing would tell people I had no idea. Yeah. Because. I don't think it's too crazy that I like to read. No. Um, I don't think that's too surprising, but I think the, to the extent of which I really like books is like something that might shock people. Like the fact that like, I wanna go back to school to get my masters and I lowkey want to go back for library science. That'd be fun. Like, I like doing. But all of your like credits transfer and stuff, like I think you, I think it would be, who knows? Did I actually, no. You know what I actually thought about going back to school for psychology. Really? Yeah. Because I been so into growth mindset. Mm-hmm. and like just everything that comes with, Do you know that guy? Sorry, this off topic. Do you know that guy that scans the brains from On the Kardashians? Yeah. Dr. Daniel Aon. Yeah. I've only been listening to him lately. Really? And it's freaking fascinating. But that's one thing that I was telling, I think maybe my mom, I was like, really like psych? I have. Call it like, that's literally like my classes. Like I loved that. I don't like biology though, or anything like that. That was the worst part of it. Love studying the science of why we do things. The brain, the brain, all that. Like I loved psychology. I did AP psychology in high school, really loved it. But I was just telling my mom, like, I think my ex really pushed me to this like place where I had to have a growth mindset. And if you would've asked me years ago, I would've told you, Hell no, I'm not going to back to school for psychology. Like, that's so dumb. But now I was just thinking about it the other day. I was like, what could I do that would, which I'm in a health, I'm in a mindset certification right now, but I would love to dive deeper into that. Sorry, I really stole your entire answer. Go for it, I mean, it's totally fine. Um, that's really, that is surprising. I know. I just thought about it like a week ago, so it's not something that I'm serious. But it like popped up in your head and you're like, Yeah, well I just, I don't wanna pay that much money to go back to school. I want the, Well, that's why I haven't gone back yet. I don't, I gotta figure out exactly what I wanna do before I go and more money on school. It's like, I don't want to do that. And also, I don't really wanna be like a therapist. I think I could be a good therapist, I'm not gonna lie. Yeah. But I need, I would need to figure out what job. Cause I also love fitness coaching and I'd wanna continue doing that. Yeah. No matter what. Yeah. No, For me it's definitely like, that I wanna write, that I want to, like, I'm afraid to say like the, a word, like author, I be like an author to be scared. You'd self publish because that's very, like, the fact that like, I could potentially like literally have a book one day. That like I wrote, like those words are mine and someone else's reading. Even like you having it like, Like that is scary reading. I'd love to write a divorce book. Like a book to help. We have totally different books we would write. Cause I have So would you write like fiction, fiction, fiction, contemporary romance, stuff like that? I would love that. Crazy ass books because I'm very like, You're super creative too. Okay. And I like when I see people I like so many times I will literally be thinking one thing and then I'll see people and I have a story that just pops up in my head about these two random people. No I can't. I'm not that. It's crazy. And then I'm like, hold on, like I have to get this in my notes cuz if I forget this, I'm gonna freak out. Maybe that's a 2023 goal you have. Maybe I'd love to write a divorce book about divorce specifically in your twenties without kids. Yeah, because everyone's got support when you have kids. Mm-hmm. Which is harder. It's harder. And everyone has support when you're in your forties, fifties. Sixties, but there's not a lot of, like, I was literally the youngest by like 30 years in my divorce care group. Oh wow. And so it's, you're sitting there and you're like, and my thing is everyone has kids and I can't even really support you in certain, I can do the best I can, but like I've never been divorced. Like yeah, everyone can do the best they can with a long term breakup, feeling like everyone can do that. But there's like an extra step in it when you do the whole wedding. And at first, this is a big tangent, I'm sorry, but at first everyone, and we'll talk about more in our relationship podcast, but everyone is like, I told everyone, they were getting like, this is just a long-term breakup. Like that's what it feels like to me. But then I had to like literally allow myself to say like, No, it's okay that it, it's a divorce. It's okay that it feels like a divorce. It's okay that you can't relate to anybody cuz maybe that's part of your message to everybody. Yeah. That's like going through it, you know? Yeah. Like you have to stop. Cause I mean you are, are the. second or third person that I know that's our age, that's divorced. Okay. See, I don't know a single other person my age, but Well, maybe y'all can like No, connect you with, set me up with them. But it's like we don't have anywhere to go. Really. Like there's no community, there's no support system. Like you have your friends and family and like a lot of my family's been divorced, but that's, you know, they've been divorce my age, but it's been now they're in, you know, committed relationships that they don't, Can't relate to you at this moment. Yeah, exactly. Wow. So, Hmm. We both have, That'll be really ing when Katie goes to her authored dreams. Yeah, that'd be fun. I know we should make that like a 20, 23 goal that we just like work towards it. We should not that we could publish it. Yeah. But that we just work towards them. Yeah. And we can sit right here and right away. Yeah, we should. Oh my gosh. That'd be fun. I have all kinds of girl, it's so unorganized. I have, I have like just. Paragraphs and paragraphs and stuff in my laptop on my phone. Like it's just, they're all over the place. That is, But that's good. You get 'em written down, you're gonna forget 'em if you don't. I have to, cuz I have crazy ideas that pop up. Do you voice memo them? Yes. Or like video diary. I'm like, Okay. Like I'll like, Cause I always have my phone like on the thing in my car. I need one of those. I keep thinking every time I go to TJ Max I see one and I'm like, Lauren has one. It looks so nice. Have car out. Yep. And I just, I have to get it out. If I don't, I get really sad cause I'll be like, I forgot about that. That story could have been really like, That could've been. Yeah. That could have been one that popped off. Yeah. It's not like I can like sit there and go back through my brain folder and be like, What was it I thought. Two o'clock on the elevator at work. Like, you know what I think, no. I think that I have really creative ideas, but my brain is so cluttered, uhhuh, I think I need to like meditate to get it all out. Maybe because I can't think of anything. Like when I tell you nothing is going on in my brain right now. Nothing is going on. It's empty. It's empty. I think it's cuz it, there's so much information flying that I can't pinpoint one. I mean it's pretty empty in my head sometimes too. Like it's just, mine feels empty all the time. Oh my gosh. It's me. Like, I promise you I have that feeling too. It's not all just like vibes up here. It's not. Cause I was like something wrong with me. No. I'm gonna ask the next question. Uhhuh is water wet? Ba ba, ba water? It is like, but here's the thing. If something is in water, it makes things wet. It makes it wet. When you pull it out, the water, your hand is wet. to water's. What? Water's? Water. Water's. What's like a verb? It's like an action, right? Yeah. I think water's, I gonna sound like a dumb ass saying that. I know. This is the second question. We need y'all's opinions on you guys, and I, I swear my opinion on this changes every time. No, I was about to say, I think mine was no, last time you asked me, but now I can't remember, but I'm pretty sure I, My answer is say all that. Yes. I definitely didn't say waters or what's a verb or whatever last time. That's true. I've never heard that from you. It's like an action. Is it not? No, I don't think it's a verb. It's an adjective. Oh, like, it's like a descriptive Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, so then, No, it's. Is water. Water is not wet. Water is wet. Well, I guess it's a's the thing makes things wet. Water makes things wet. So what, So does that mean that it is wet? I know if it makes things wet, it's wet. It's when it hurts. Okay, next question. I'm over it. Okay, so next question. What is your favorite smell? Ooh, I'm a big, Well, right now it's Christmas time, so I'm a big pine candle girly. I also, Like freshly baked cookies. That smell is, Were you thinking just candles or It could be any smile, I think like a cinnamon, cinnamon roll. Ooh. Like desserts. But I don't like candles that smell like desserts. You know those like, I can't stand that either. No, they smell food candles. They're disgusting. Not a vibe. Don't like it. They're disgusting. I think I really like, Okay. Bath and Body Works has one specific pumpkin candle that I get every year. It's called uh, white pumpkin. It is, It's not like overwhelming pumpkin. It smells so good. So for those of y'all that have not tried it, White pumpkin. I love, I'm gonna say a lot of bath and body works cuz that's just what I use. I like gingham. That smell is You like gingham. Yeah. I don't think I like gingham. You don't? I think I've tried to hop on it and I let, Did you like the smell of my bathroom? Cuz that's gingham. That was like a wallflower. I won't have to, I'm gonna have to, Yeah, you're gonna have to test that. Check that cuz I don't, I don't know. I, I love gingham. And then I love, I got this candle from TJ Max. It's a Christmas one that you smell. Mm-hmm. And that one you, that one smells like any kind of pine, but not overwhelming. Yeah. Like any kind of Christmasy pine. That candle was a good, uh, candle. It was 15 bucks for that massive candle. It's not bad. No candles can get expensive. So freaking expensive. Af I would say my favorite smell like in my bathroom, so I like it. Wait, I love rain smell. Sorry. So, Oh yeah. Rain smells. Mm-hmm. Yes. in my bathroom, I like to burn this candle. It's a bathroom bodywork candle. It's called a eucalyptus. Mint. I love any kind of eucalyptus. I love me too. I love eucalyptus. I love fresh white cotton. Ooh, I love that one too. Yeah. Anything that smells just super cute. Do you like the white tea Sage one? Have you tried that one? I don't know if I have, but I, It sounds like something I would like. You would like that one a lot. Yeah. but. For like, not candle smells. I love the smell of garage. I'm sorry, The smell. The smell of a garage. Like a garage. It smells like tires and like, just like Do you also like the smell of gasoline? Yeah. Wait, I kind of do too. Yeah. One, One smell I don't like is grass. Yeah. I can't stand. Like vanilla too. I don't really like vanilla. Like vanilla. Oh. And Mark Jacob's perfume. I love, I have like a lot of his perfume never smelled his perfume. Me and this girl. Literally my friend that went with me to Atlanta. Mm-hmm. We spent so much money one time on perfume at I need to get a good perfume this year. I don't, I don't have one. I think I bought, I wanna say three. I bought like three Mark Jacobs perfumes. I wanna, I think they have like really good sample stuff right now. Yeah. So I need to go get a sample thing. Hop on Mark Jacobs. Perfect. Perfect. Is the perfect smile. Really. Yeah. Maybe I'll go to Sephora today because I actually need, Yeah. I really want like a good scent. Yeah. I don't have any kind of good perfume. Get on it girl, cuz Mm. Um, I do, We have just one left. We have two Katie's over the questions. No, I just, I have you marked 'em off? Yeah. As you go. Okay. Well I can't do that, so I don't know why. Okay. Well the next one I know which one I want us to finish off on. So I'll do the question then. Yeah. Well, Oh wait, Describe your dream night out or vacation. Okay, so. I love elephants. Me too. Yes. And I've always wanted to go to Thailand. I would love, and I know that they have like, at least I think they have like, where you can like ride them and they have an elephant, like a sanctuary or something. We have one of those in Oklahoma. Not that you can ride, but the zoo. No, no, no. This is like an elephant sanctuary in, I wanna say it's like in Hugo. I thought you were talking about the sanctuary, the suit. Bye. Know Katie. But I also wanna do that. I, I actually want to touch the elephant. Yes. I think it's like 60 bucks though. And I mean, is it worth it? Yeah. Yeah. Have I done it yet? No, but I wanna go to Thailand really bad. That'd be amazing. And I wanna like meditate in like a temple. I wanna like That would be amazing. Like, I wanna be very like, yes. I just want to, when I see pictures from it, especially like I'm Pinterest and stuff, I'm like, Oh, I want like live, like the Pinterest board, like, just like meditation, Thailand So that's the first thing that popped up into my head. That's amazing. What about you? My friends? I really wanna go to Greece. Yeah. I wanna go so bad. I also really, I kind of wanna travel more of just like the states now. Yeah. So like Boston, New York City. I really wanna go to New York City. Have you never been before? No. Really wanna go so bad? Oh my gosh. We're gonna have to go. Yeah. Like Santa Fe. Yeah. I wanna just do all of the, I wanna do like big cities. Yes. I also would love to go to like London, obviously. Mm. Yeah. But I don't have anything like, I mean specifically now I think like New York, that's like my number one go-to right now. I think you would love it. I think I would love it. Yeah. I think I would thrive. There's just so much going on. It's like, And that's what I need cuz there's so much going on in my brain. Yeah. So I need somethings like, it's like, Oh yeah. Yeah. Especially coming from like where we come from. Yeah. Oklahoma to New York. Dude, I need to go. Okay. Yeah, it is a total, it's definitely a shock. and that's why I feel like a lot of people, um either you love it or you hate it. I don't really, I haven't really met a person that's in between on New York. Yeah, no, I would agree. I would, I think people, It's kind of like LA though. People who go love it or hate it. That's what I've heard. We have to go. Yeah. Never been. I kind of hate it, but I also kind of love it. So I need to go. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. We'll go. What's the last question? Um, so last question is something that has inspired you lately? Ooh Hmm. I think the podcast I'm listening to have really, really inspired me to kind of get outta my own head. Mm-hmm. but also weirdly enough like tap into my own head, like tap into the emotions. Um, I've been listening to, Do you listen to Jay Sheti? No, I've told you about him. No, but I, so I, I haven't listened to like, A like the podcast, but I've seen so many of his clips. His ticks. Yeah. Yes. And I love it. So first of all, what a stunning man. Can we just say that? Like him and his wife, both stunning. Second of all, he's like the, he was a monk. So he's a monk for three years. He's a book called Things like a Monk, and he's just very,, he meditates, I think for like two hours a day every day. It's insane. And so just the topics he talks about,, the information he shares has just been so inspiring lately and has really gotten me to Dr. Daniel Amond, the one that does the brain scans. He's been on his podcast three different times. There's been another guy, I forgot his name. Like Dr. Gabe Mat maybe. I don't know. I really think I butchered that. Talked a lot about how to heal trauma from your past and just from things. And so there's so many. I mean, Vanessa HUDs was just on it. Um, Really, Chloe Kardashian was just on it. Mm-hmm. And so Selena Gomez was just on it like last week. I haven't listened to any of these yet, but I've been really, really into that and it's, it's just been really inspiring lately. Yeah. To hear, I don't know, just about, about all of that. So I would say that that podcast has like gotten me really fired up lately. Really? Yeah. And it's helped me like through the loneliness because there's some on like literally Yeah. Being alone. Yeah. What does that feel like? How does that, And I think we all go through that. Yeah. We just don't talk about it. I mean I've had moments like that For sure. Especially recent years. Yeah. Like, and it's crazy. And like the crazy thing is about like loneliness in general is that like people that haven't experienced it, I don't think realize that when you have those feelings, it can literally be when you're around people that know you. Oh, a hundred percent. I think it's like, it's crazy when it does happen cuz like, yeah. like being in like in my relationship, like there hasn't been an issue at all. You know, we can be doing totally fine. And then for some reason I'm just feeling really lonely. I think it's a, it's a, maybe not for you, but for some people. Like a childhood trauma thing too, probably. Yeah, that's true. Which is like something that like, I don't know, it's so weird. I think a lot of people are starting to talk about being in your twenties and how it's lonely, but it's not fully talked about yet. Yeah, really. So I think our generation is very like, transparent in that sense. Like we're kind of like, people made it seem like a dream and I'm like, y'all, this shit is not easy. No, the twenties, your twenties is not fun. It's, And my thing is, I think too, seeing my mom age has made me feel better about aging because she's in her. No, I heard thirties and your forties, she's your best years. Like I've literally heard that. Yeah. People have told me like, Oh wait, like when you grow up you're like, I'm so ready to be in my twenties, do whatever I want. And now thirties and 40 year olds are coming back to us saying like, Yeah, your twenties does suck. Like have fun. Like actually, and your thirties I heard is like finally when people, especially as women start to take you seriously and like you are getting like really like niche down in your career or like whatever. Exactly. Yeah. For me, I would say what has inspired me lately is definitely going to Atlanta for that callback. I love that 100%. I love that. For you, do you feel like more inspired to like jive into modeling again? Yeah, and I think at first right after I like felt so down about myself, I was so hard on myself and I was so like out of it. I think that's normal. Yeah, that's a, that was a really big opportunity. I think anyone would like criticize themselves, but like the, the, the women that I met that day, like they were incredible really. Like everyone was so. So That's so nice. You wouldn't have wanted to go there. And people have been like, Ew, like stuck up and like Yeah. Yeah, exactly. And like, because I don't have a lot of like experience or anything in modeling, you know, it's something that I'm aspiring to do. Yeah. did these people have experience? There was wide ranges of experience really. There was like, it was, I would've loved to just go with a good blend that people, I wish I would've gone with you. Cuz I would've loved to just sit in line with you and talk to these people. Mm. Like, what do you do? Like, you know what I mean? Mm-hmm. Yeah. Oh, that would've been so fun. And like, they didn't let like people come in with us, but like the line, you know, you could see like the different kind of people. Yeah. And it's just like, first of all, everyone was beautiful and I was just like, I've never been in a room with this many people that look really good. And was it a mix of women and. Mm-hmm. Just women. Women. Okay. Mm-hmm. I didn't know, I didn't know if Good American makes men's genes or not. I don't think they don't. Okay. let be interesting if things started to, I like was looking up the hashtag on TikTok a lot. Mm-hmm. beforehand. Cause I was, my nerves were all over the place. Yeah. And there were some men that like, um, did videos and stuff for it. That's amazing. So I know this might have been like a woman's only shoot too, or like a call casting maybe. Yeah., Cause I don't think they specified either though. Who can like, uh, apply. Yeah. But I don't think they have men's genes, but that makes sense. Yeah, it definitely inspired me because I was just like, Okay, like maybe I can really do this. Yeah. And putting myself out there again and focusing on it again. And you. All of that. So definitely. That's amazing. Yeah. Yeah. So thank you guys so much for listening. Um, our next episode will be about relationships. Yeah. And then do it. That's what we're really gonna get into. Dive into that. Yeah. And then we've got a couple, I mean, we've got some next ones planned too. Yeah. So, but beyond the lookout for the relationship one, cuz that's definitely what will be, um, coming out next. Yep. Alrighty. Bye everyone. Have a good bye baby girl.